tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7039707457010939097.post8954728716797495560..comments2024-01-18T04:42:47.809-06:00Comments on BitterGrace Notes: "...there is only the dance."BitterGracehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18262639525430954930noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7039707457010939097.post-8331276116776120882008-06-04T20:26:00.000-05:002008-06-04T20:26:00.000-05:00Hello, Stella Polaris. Any poem that sends readers...Hello, Stella Polaris. Any poem that sends readers thinking of Heraclitus <I>and</I> Sartre is a wonder of the art.<BR/><BR/>I feel so bad, Bozo--both because I'm deprived of your answer, and because I know the horrible feeling of laboring over a bit of writing only to see it disappear into the ether. Not so heartbreaking as Iris Murdoch leaving the sole manuscript of a novel in a taxi, but still ...BitterGracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18262639525430954930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7039707457010939097.post-81705965012719034822008-06-03T07:55:00.000-05:002008-06-03T07:55:00.000-05:00BG-- I spent a good bit of time this morning resp...BG-- I spent a good bit of time this morning responding to your question, but then my computer ate what I wrote. I haven't got the heart to try to write it again. Sic transit.<BR/><BR/>So sorry. The relationship between Sartre's reflective "temporal" consciousness and Eliot's immediate, non-reflective poetic consciousnes-- "At the still point of the turning world"-- is a fascinating one. Add to that Eliot's further idea of a poetic memory which can "conquer" time, and you've really got something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7039707457010939097.post-14300423331688434682008-06-03T02:41:00.000-05:002008-06-03T02:41:00.000-05:00Ahh, I really love this poem! :) And I love the ec...Ahh, I really love this poem! :) And I love the echo of Heraklit in it, the logos as a rose (the rose garden in the poem), and the tensions between opposites uphelding cosmos.<BR/>Sartre was never this deep...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7039707457010939097.post-7562631378536249532008-06-02T15:56:00.000-05:002008-06-02T15:56:00.000-05:00Hello, Mary! Eliot is like the Borg--resistence is...Hello, Mary! Eliot is like the Borg--resistence is futile.<BR/><BR/>Bozo--I love it when you drop one of these puzzlers for me to obsess over! I would have thought Eliot and Sartre were fundamentally in agreement: "human kind / Cannot bear very much reality." No?<BR/><BR/>As for the debate, I'm not sure I understand Sartre's side. How exactly would he refute this?--<BR/><BR/><I>Time past and time future<BR/>Allow but a little consciousness.<BR/>To be conscious is not to be in time<BR/>But only in time can the moment in the rose-garden,<BR/>The moment in the arbour where the rain beat,<BR/>The moment in the draughty church at smokefall<BR/>Be remembered; involved with past and future.<BR/>Only through time time is conquered.</I>BitterGracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18262639525430954930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7039707457010939097.post-2032326093630478972008-06-02T10:51:00.000-05:002008-06-02T10:51:00.000-05:00Imagine a conversation between Eliot and Sartre ab...Imagine a conversation between Eliot and Sartre about the relationship between temporality and consciousness. Might be interesting. Sartre might say that Eliot's actual writing of the poem is proof of time's "negating" power over pure immediacy, while Eliot might say that through the immediacy of poetic image temporality is suspended and yet filled with meaning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7039707457010939097.post-41494548648706396802008-06-01T06:23:00.000-05:002008-06-01T06:23:00.000-05:00I love Eliot.I love Eliot.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12577766593643216036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7039707457010939097.post-34556248757288133712008-05-31T09:36:00.000-05:002008-05-31T09:36:00.000-05:00Funny, Chaya, I nearly indulged in Moss yesterday,...Funny, Chaya, I nearly indulged in Moss yesterday, but then went in another direction entirely. Perhaps the craving traveled north!<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the anniversary wishes! I'm glad I've been able to keep up with so many friends via the blog, and provide a little entertainment for us at the same time.<BR/><BR/>BTW, E, I find the anatomical correspondences interesting, too. The Sagittarian weakness is supposed to be in the thighs. I like to think mine would be perfect if I'd just been born a week earlier ;-)BitterGracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18262639525430954930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7039707457010939097.post-13465104778475470622008-05-31T09:13:00.000-05:002008-05-31T09:13:00.000-05:00What a wonderful choice of verse and art! (and the...What a wonderful choice of verse and art! (and the zodiac relationships with each part of the human anatomy is quite interesting to contemplate in its way).<BR/>I also like the <I>Death and the Maiden</I> theme on the pic at the right :-)<BR/><BR/>It's been a great year reading you! May many more will come.Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7039707457010939097.post-64174041477115172392008-05-31T05:59:00.000-05:002008-05-31T05:59:00.000-05:00My.Text, painting, avatar.I'm feeling it, today.Li...My.<BR/><BR/>Text, painting, avatar.<BR/>I'm feeling it, today.<BR/>Like you gave me an exquisite gift- which you often do.<BR/><BR/>I've enjoyed the last year- it seems to have given you blooming-room,if you catch my drift.<BR/>Good on you !<BR/><BR/>I thought of you last night, when I craved, and indulged in- a Moss extravaganza [ for soul healing] before bed.<BR/>I still smell like a small, furry creature who hides under the bushes<BR/>[don't I wish I were one, SIGH]...<BR/><BR/>Love you, and am proud of you, too.chayaruchamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04889166567884475415noreply@blogger.com